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Posted Oct 08, 2008 at 11:17:22 PM
Subject: New here, need some help.

Long story in three sentences. My computer's OS (XP) died. My best friend said "You should try Linux, since we all know Vista sucks". I said, "I'll look at it", and here I am.
I've actually been interested in Linux for a while, but I was too scared to try it out. I didn't want to mess up my computer, or get stuck with a OS I didn't know how to use... But my best friend is a computer science major, and she's been telling me for years that I would love it, especially since she knows about my little widget obsession. Unfortunately, I have no way to "test" it before I try to trow it on my currently dead laptop. The computer I'm using right now still runs Win '98 *shudder* and there's no way it would handle anything else.
Anyways, what I'm hoping for help with is some advice and guidance. I need to choose a version of Linux, figure out how to download it using this pos computer, and then figure out how to get it onto my busted computer, assuming that will even work. Thanks for any help in advance.

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PerlCoder
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Posted: Oct 09, 2008 1:51:41 AM
Subject: New here, need some help.

Welcome to the Linux community. I also switched over to Linux after my XP OS died too many times.

Installing Linux won't hurt your computer, even if you mess something up. You're always free to try installing another Linux distribution, or switch back to Windows if you like.

However, do you know what caused your computer to die? Windows does sometimes just seem to fall apart. However, if the computer has a serious hardware problem (fried CPU, bad RAM, for example), it probably won't work with Linux either. Just be aware of that.

There are two Linux distributions that I would recommend to newbies. One is Mandriva. The other is Ubuntu. These distributions tend to work pretty well 'out of the box', and take care of a lot of the technical details for you.

To install one of these distributions, go to the homepage of the distro (http://www.mandriva.com/ or http://www.ubuntu.com/). There you need to download the ISO image for your computer type (probably 32bit i386 PC), and burn that image onto a CD. (See http://wiki.mandriva.com/en/Docs/Installing_Mandriva_Linux/Writing_CD_and_DVD_images for help with that.)

Then, stick the CD into your computer, start it, and the Linux installation program will take over (assuming your computer's BIOS is set to allow boot from CD). The installer will ask you a few simple questions, but will do most of the hard work for you.

BTW, if you don't want to burn the ISO, you could tell your best friend what distro you want and she'd probably be willing to get a CD for you.

Both the Mandriva and Ubuntu home pages have links that take you to documentation and to mailing lists where you can get help with any problems you run into. Also, feel free to posts any further questions here at this forum!

PerlCoder (http://www.indicium.us)

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PerlCoder
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Posted: Oct 09, 2008 1:58:29 AM
Subject: New here, need some help.

Oh, and I forgot to mention: Mandriva and Ubuntu both have 'Live CDs', which allow you to boot your computer into the operating system before actually installing it. This allows you to test to see if it works on your computer before you install it.

PerlCoder (http://www.indicium.us)

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Jessyca
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Posted: Oct 09, 2008 4:03:02 AM
Subject: New here, need some help.

Um, what happens if my computer BIOS aren't set to boot from cd? Because I'm having issues, and I think that might be my problem.

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Glock24
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Posted: Oct 09, 2008 4:33:49 AM
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Posted: Oct 09, 2008 5:01:13 AM
Subject: New here, need some help.

well Jessyca- the problem u stated earlier is generally known as "error of death" or "error of blue screen in win 9x,xp " "error of red screen in vista." It occurs due to bad functionality of certain software or some error in RAM/ROM. Thats y it is not able to boot from the hard disk... becuase as u know whenever u start your computer the os firstly load into the RAM from the hard disk.
you can get rid of this problem by just repairing your Windows with a windows xp cd(if you have installed it otherwise do it with Vista cd/dvd.
I hope you will once again able to see your laptop working with its old friend (win os.)

And if u want to try Linux, that is really a good decision, it ll let you to get rid of "computer hang", "error of death", "security problem", & several other problem that we generally face in Windows. Well Linux (a copy of Unix) provide you full control on all computer processes from OS to Desktop Environment.

There are three two major categories of Linux-
One is Debian distributions which include Ubuntu, Kbuntu, Xubuntu.. etc.
Second is RedHat Linux which includes all other like linux mint, fedora core, fedora linux, devil linux, opensuse, etc.
& last(optional) category is Slackware... which is sometime included refer to RH's category.

If we do talk about the best one... then all os or distro or distributions are similar in functionality but the difference is in its Installation, Features, Packages etc.
For instance debian distro contain all libraries, software which are needed for a convenient computing & other one need to download it from Intenet.

Last but not the least that linux need some proper understanding of some concept which are not familiar to a general user.

all the best Jessyca!!

Live and let live others!!

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gregorydearth
Joined Oct 04, 2008
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Posted: Oct 09, 2008 5:02:36 PM
Subject: New here, need some help.

Hi there!

You should also give DSL a try. Damn Small Linux runs on older computers. If you can get 98 to work, you should be able to get DSL to work.

You can also make a cd of it and run it in 'live' mode, without needing to install it first. You can then toy around with it and decide if you like it enough.

When you do finally want to install it, you simply select 'install to HD' from the menu and it does the rest, though you may have to format your hard drive and delete your master boot record first in some cases.

But if you are worried about screwing up a system, look for live cd's of linux. Heck, you can even get them 'free' with linux magazines at the book store. I like doing it that way as I hate downloading and burning cd's on my old hardware. Plus, the magazine would often have install guides for the version they are promoting. These mag's cost about $15, but is well spent if you are a noob.

Best of luck!

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Jessyca
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Posted: Oct 11, 2008 6:50:42 AM
Subject: New here, need some help.

Ok, Update, and help still needed. I downloaded, burned, and finally got to work (after much fanangaling) a live version Ubuntu. Yeah! I can now access all of my files, ect. Double Yeah! Now my question goes to final installation, programs, versions, and things of that nature.

1. How do I figure out if a program, such as a game, that ran on Window, will still work on Linux?
2. Is there any way to transfer a program straight from the original program files, to Linux?
3. How about just files? Or will I have to copy everything to a usb drive first?
4. If I choose to install, rather then running Ubuntu as a Live cd, will I loose my files? Or can it run duel with my busted XP OS?
5. If I decide that I'm not fond of Ubuntu, and want to switch to, say... Mandriva, how hard is the switch? will I loose any files/programs in the switch?

I think that's all the questions I have for now. Thanks for your help so far, and thanks for any future help!

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Glock24
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Posted: Oct 11, 2008 9:05:46 AM
Subject: New here, need some help.

Hello Jessyca,

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1. How do I figure out if a program, such as a game, that ran on Window, will still work on Linux?
2. Is there any way to transfer a program straight from the original program files, to Linux?

Windows programs don't run on Linux, unless the program has a linux version, like Firefox, 7-zip, OpenOffice.org and most free (as in freedom) or open source programs. Some commercial software has a linux version, like Nero, but there are very good free alternatives like K3b, Brasero, etc. Some popular games have a linux version, like Doom 3, UT2003/2004, etc. Some windows software can run under a compatibility layer, called wine, but it is better to use another linux native programs that does the same thing as the windows program.

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3. How about just files? Or will I have to copy everything to a usb drive first?

Ubuntu has a migration wizard, but I've never used it, so I don't know how effective it is. In any case, you can "see" you windows partition(s) from within Ubuntu, so can access all your files directly.

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4. If I choose to install, rather then running Ubuntu as a Live cd, will I loose my files? Or can it run duel with my busted XP OS?

You will not lose any file if you choose to install Ubuntu (or any other linux distro), unless you want to. The installer will partition the drive for you to make space for Ubuntu, or you can partition manually. And yes, you can run Ubuntu alongside WinXP or Vista or any other OS.

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5. If I decide that I'm not fond of Ubuntu, and want to switch to, say... Mandriva, how hard is the switch? will I loose any files/programs in the switch?

If you decide to install another flavor of linux, don't worry, it is not hard to do. If you have personal files in your Ubuntu installation, you may lose them, unless you make a separate partition for the user files (/home folder). You windows partitions and files will be safe.

It is alway a good idea to have separate partitons for the system (/) and for personal files (/home). With 10GB for the system partition should be enough for a typical desktop system. The home partition size depends on how much stuff you will put there (music, documents, videos, etc.).

Take a look at this artcile, could be very educative:
http://linux.oneandoneis2.org/LNW.htm

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Jessyca
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Posted: Oct 11, 2008 4:38:18 PM
Subject: New here, need some help.

Ok, I have all my files saved to USB drives now, and I think I'm ready to install. I don't understand the whole partitions thing though. I tried googling it, and from what I understand it's like taking your hard drive and saying, "10GB set aside for this, 30GB for that" and that can't save on this, and this can't save on that, if that made any sense. But I don't know how to create a partition, and I'm not sure that it will do it automatically. Now that all my files are off I'm a little less worried, but at the same time, I think my XP OS is still fixable, and I'd really hate to overwrite it, especially since I save the computer with my fiance, and he's a little hesitant about learning a new OS...

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